Saturday, July 24, 2010

Decisions, Decisions

I'm determined to get our electricity bill down this year. Last month's bill was a whopper—$420. I know we're in south Florida and we're going to use more A/C than other parts of the country. And I know our house was built in the early 1970s, so a lot of changes need to be made to help green it up, like replacing the windows, replacing the water heater, adding insulation, etc., etc. We've been good about replacing any appliances we've had to replace with Energy Star appliances. I actually saw a difference in the electricity bill when we replaced the washer and dryer last year. Amazing.

But a lot of these changes come with hefty price tags. New windows, forget it. We just don't have the money right now, even with a 30% federal tax credit. I'd love to replace the old 30-gallon electric water heater with something bigger and more efficient. It's got to be on its last legs since we've been here for 8 years and the people we bought from were here a year and they didn't know when the water heater had last been replaced. My dream would be to put in a solar water heater and we made room for it when we bought the new washer and dryer (we bought stackable), but, even with federal and state rebates, tons of money has to be laid out to begin with. Something like $6000. Ouch. And who knows when the state money gets sent out? From everything I'm reading, the state is about 2 years behind in the rebates. I don't know if we can afford to wait that long for the money, though I think the federal money is just taken right off the taxes. And I'd love to either add or totally replace the insulation in the attic. The price for that depends on the type of insulation we choose. I'd love to do something nice and green like putting in spray foam or denim, but, again, the price tag starts to grow the greener the product. And since we'd like to put in solar attic fans and solar tube lighting, don't we have to do these before we do the insulation?

My brain cells are starting to mush trying to decide what to do. Whatever decision is made has to be balanced with the fact that we need a bigger chicken coop now that we have 7 pullets getting close to merge time with the 4 already-laying hens. While we didn't spend huge money on the first coop—$400, we will spend a sizable chunk on the new coop. I know it's possible to build one, but we are not carpenters and every time we attempt something that is way beyond our capabilities, we end up fighting and then hiring someone to finish what we couldn't, usually making it more expensive than if we'd just bought the thing in the first place. So I'd rather just buy it. I was thinking we could barter the old coop for something else, but then I started thinking that we might want to keep the smaller coop in case we ever have a need for separating a sick hen from the main flock or decide we want to raise a couple of turkeys for Thanksgiving dinner (it's a valid thought).

So I'm left still deciding. I'm leaning toward compromising and putting in 2 solar attic fans and a bigger, maybe 50-gallon, Energy Star hybrid electric water heater. The attic fans are about $400 a piece not including installation and labor (30% of the solar parts and labor get the federal tax credit) and the new hybrid heat pump electric water heaters also qualify for the 30% federal tax credit and cost about $2000 with installation and labor included. Knock 30% off that and it sounds doable. I don't know. My brain cells are still mush.

What would you do?

18 comments:

Valerie,  July 24, 2010 at 11:21 AM  

Have you looked at the Little Houses Yahoo group? It has lots of ideas of natural heating and cooling using as little people and money energy as possible.

Tricia July 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM  

Since we are in the construction business, let me give you a few hints.

Use the denim cotton also known as BLUE insulation. It has mold and insect inhibitors in it and has a good sound property to it ALSO qualifies for your credits. it is not itchy to work with, want to let your kids take a nap on it, go ahead LOL. Batts when shipped are compressed so just shake them out.

If your attic has batt insulation then you can use the denim batts. If your attic has cellulose (sprayed in) you can have it resprayed by a professional or you can lay batts over what you already have.

IF you are going to do your walls, especially the exterior walls you will need to install a vapor barrier over the new insulation (as per code). On exterior wall it would be from outside in - block or siding..... metal or wood studs..... insulation between studs.....plastic also called visqueen.... then wall board and finish.

The batts you can and probably should install yourself if you are physically able as it will save you tons of $$$. Blue insulation is more expensive that the Pink fiberglass insulation but I think worth it.

Let me know how it goes.

Tricia July 24, 2010 at 1:21 PM  

OK I should have finished reading your blog BEFORE I jumped right in.

Chicken coop........ contact your local 4H and see if they will help you out with building it. 4H'ers get credit for helping out or they use to. You buy the materials, provide the design and offer a big dang barbacue to helpers. ALSO contact the Boy Scouts for helpers.

Tricia July 24, 2010 at 1:25 PM  

OK OK I promise this is the last post. If you are near Orlando or Tampa or Miami.... Service Partners sells the blue insulation.

My Edible Yard July 24, 2010 at 1:28 PM  

Valerie - I hadn't seen the Yahoo group, but I had found them on Facebook and downloaded some info. I'll be sure to look at the group.

Tricia - you are just a fountain of information. Unbelievable. Thank you. We do have the cellulose stuff and got FPL to come out and do an energy audit. They said our insulation was fine (choke, choke) and that they couldn't give us a rebate because they only do it once in the lifetime of a house. It had been done a few owners ago. I am very into the denim insulation. Not planning on putting it outside the house, but there is no insulation in the top of the attic, only on the floor of it - so would it be good to put it in the roof from the inside? If you know what I mean because I don't know the technical terminology.

Also, with regard to the 4H/boy scouts thing, that's a great idea.

Thanks so much for your input.

My Edible Yard July 24, 2010 at 1:30 PM  

Thanks again, Tricia. I'm closest to Miami - depending on where they are I'm about half hour away and will definitely look them up.

Tricia July 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM  

HEHEHE..... I am in Palm Beach. Did you get mega rain yesterday?

NOT on the OUTSIDE of your house silly........ EXTERIOR WALLS are the walls that form the sides of your house, NOT exterior like on the outside. INTERIOR walls are the walls inside your home that form your rooms. if you take down the interior side of your exterior walls, like the drywall......... you put the insulation between the studs but then you have to put plastic over the insulation and studs to form a vapor barrier. Then you put the wall board over that and finish.

We remodeled a old house and the insulation in the exterior walls was hit or miss at best. A piece here a piece there, some walls had NONE.

Yea every once in a while I can come up with a good idea meaning the 4H or the Boy Scouts.

My Edible Yard July 24, 2010 at 3:46 PM  

See, Tricia, I have no idea what I'm talking about. You didn't answer my question about whether I could put the denim insulation up on the inside of the roof. Will that help? Meaning the top of the attic.

Thanks.

Tricia July 24, 2010 at 5:08 PM  

You mean in the roof trusses? Ok OK am I silly... trusses are the big heavy wood beams that frame the roof LOL so if you were inside your attic and look UP you would see heavy wood beams covered with plywood THOSE are the trusses. It would be better (the very best) is sprayed on Icynene BUT you can put in the batts in between the roof trusses which is better than nothing. IF you are going to use the batts of insulation you have to staple it to the trusses so it does not fall out (the batts will have paper tabs on each side just for that purpose. OH yea the paper side faced YOU!!! THEN at a home supply store in the roofing department (probably) they will have strips of what looks like chicken wire(maybe 4 to 6 inches on a roll). Take those strips and staple it across the insulation and the trusses to hold it all from falling.

If you do not have any insulation at all in the roof peak this will really help. Roof insulation is normally R19 but if your house was built in the 1970s you will have to use R11. You CAN NOT squeeze or smash the insulation to make it fit you will loose your R factor and wasting your money. So measure between the trusses and see what you have. If your trusses are 2 X 4 then R11 is what you get. The HIGHER the R factor the better.

Hope this helps.

OH and if you go with the Pink Fiberglass Insulation wear long sleeve shirt and long pants and safety glassed and GLOVES. It reall itches. DO NOT scratch take a cold shower LOL

My Edible Yard July 24, 2010 at 5:12 PM  

Tricia - I definitely will not go with fiberglass. I'm leaning toward the denim. It just makes more sense.

Thanks for all your advice. You're a godsend.

Tricia July 24, 2010 at 7:28 PM  

ROFLOL don't know about a godsend but hubby and I have been in the construction biz for 26 years. We do batt insulation and hire out the icynene spray.

Hubby said you probaby have the loose blown in insulation in the floor joist in the attic.

there really isn't anything wrong with the Pink Panter Fiberglass stuff BUT it is a nasty booger to work with BUT if you got an itch your hubby and scratch it for you which is a perk LOL

Renee,  July 25, 2010 at 1:18 PM  

A huge chunk of the bill is taxes!!

We replaced our windows in our 50s house in NMB and saved almost nothing.

The hot water heater made a big difference though. We put a tankless in the last house and it cost us more not less! In this house we just put a high efficiency tank and it has saved.

I do not think that you save with a newer fridge. I had an energy star fridge in the last house and I threw out so much food after a few days because it is not as cold.

In this house I have a 20 year old fridge that works really well and I am shocked at how long past the date, the dairy stays fresh.

As far as the coop, I don't see why you need a bigger coop. Maybe a bigger run will do??

My Edible Yard July 25, 2010 at 5:26 PM  

Renee - according to the federal website - I don't remember the address right now - it says the 30%includes tax. I agree on the tankless - everything current I'm reading says they aren't the way to go. I haven't done enough research on the hybrid heater pump one yet to make a firm decision.

I didn't notice a difference in the electricity bill either with a new fridge, but I did notice with my new front loading washer and dryer. Close to a $30 a month difference.

You really think a coop advertised to fit 3-4 hens is big enough for 11 hens? The 4 big girls aren't using it right now for anything but eggs and feed. They're sleeping outside on top of the air conditioner unit - not really on it, but on a ledge right next to it.

mary July 26, 2010 at 9:37 AM  

You may be able to use your current coop and just add more nesting boxes. Three hens per box is standard. They may also need more roosting space. Is there space to add another roost?

I think the specifications for coops are written with northern states in mind, where harsh winters keep chickens coopped up for months.

meemsnyc July 31, 2010 at 9:17 PM  

We recently did the foam insulation in our attic. We spent $2500. There are tax rebates for insulation, that's one of the reasons we did it. It will save you energy costs in the future too.

http://ilovecatnip.blogspot.com/2010/06/foam-insulation.html

My Edible Yard August 1, 2010 at 5:53 AM  

Meems - what kind of foam did you use? Last time I checked out the prices down here the people wanted over $6000 - that was for a soy-derived product if I remember correctly.

Terra Mirabilis October 14, 2010 at 3:05 PM  

Hello. I just came across your blog. I'm in South Miami (city of). We put solar panels on the roof a few years ago and they have performed brilliantly. (Actually, from April through September the water is TOO hot!) I don't think it cost much more than $3,000 and we left it too late to claim the state rebate. I think we got the federal tax credit, though. Our system has a back up electric heater for long periods of dull weather. It also has a small PV panel that drives the motor that's connected to the solar panels. It has saved a significant amount of money and was well worth the investment.

--Penny

My Edible Yard October 31, 2010 at 6:05 PM  

Hi Terri,

May I ask where you got your solar water heater system from? I can't find one up here in Broward County for anything close to that price.

Thanks, Ara

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